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Tomorrow, he is joining Francis and Konstantin in London to discuss the Labour Party conference, Andy Burnham, British politics and his predictions for the next UK election.

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Under Boris Johnson, she was appointed Attorney General, in a role that took on special significance a month later when the UK government was forced to respond to the COVID crisis.

In September 2022, she was selected by Liz Truss to serve as Home Secretary, a position she held (with the exception of 6 days the following month) until November 2023, also managing the role under Truss’ successor, Rishi Sunak.

In January of this year, after 23 years serving the Conservatives, she defected to Reform. In October, she is due to release her memoir: Patriot.

Why did we invite her on?

Suella joined us in February 2024 to raise the alarm over illegal border crossings in the Channel. Then, the Conservatives were in power, and she was a member. Today, Labour are two years into their tenure; the Conservatives are scrambling for relevance, as Reform are readying themselves to challenge that status quo. Much has changed.

Much has not.

While some of the issues we discussed in our last conversation have shown signs of recovery, others have gotten markedly worse, with no sign of things being turned around soon.

With her new book on the horizon and a new party to serve, we wanted to catch up and see where she stands now. How does she feel about Britain’s future? What does she make of the British right’s skirmish for power? Whoever takes the reins, how will they reconcile these warring factions?

What did we learn?

Something which seemingly hasn’t changed in the time between now and Suella’s last appearance is the ongoing small boats crisis. It’s a subject Suella has been sounding the alarm on for a decade. Labour has talked big about fixing it, but have they?

”The dinghies are getting bigger, the numbers are still high, and the threat is coming closer to home. People are scared and angry, and I am too.”

If thousands were illegally crossing the border at any other time in history, we would expect the state to intervene. One could argue it’s their most central and legitimate role. This would be uncontroversial. What’s the holdup?

”There is no will. I was pushing it, but I kept coming up against Prime Ministers who didn’t want to do it. It was all a performance; all talking tough, but actually behind the scenes, behind closed doors, wholly lacking the requisite will to do the right thing legally, politically and diplomatically.”

A couple of weeks ago, we had Dan Hodges, a longtime Labour-supporting columnist on the show. While sharing a number of Suella’s beliefs regarding the state of illegal immigration, he dismissed the idea that it was so easily solvable. It’s not a matter of will. It’s a matter of ability. And an easy fix is not possible.

Suella disagrees.

”He’s wrong. It can be stopped. It has been stopped in other countries. This was what I was banging my head against under Johnson, Truss and Sunak.”

What can we learn from other countries? What steps do we need to take to fix this issue?

As Suella explains, it won’t happen passively. Nothing changes without decisive political moves that might be unpopular or may have troubling optics. It doesn’t mean they’re not necessary. Until one thing changes, nothing will.

”We need to leave the European Convention on Human Rights. I saw it before I was Home Secretary, and even before I was Attorney General; the ECHR’s laws have been weaponised against the British people. Whenever an enforcer wants to deport an illegal immigrant, they are met with an infinity of legal claims, many of which are illegitimate. The claimants assert that because they’ll be tortured in the country they’ll be sent to, we are violating their human right against torture. And the claimant could easily be lying; if they have ill intentions in Britain, they certainly will. And if you try to split up a family, we’re ‘violating their right to a family life’.”

’Leaving the ECHR’ is often framed by left-wing media as a self-evident evil. Without it, how can we guarantee our human rights are protected? What will the government be capable of?

This, Suella asserts, is a fallacy. The ECHR is deployed in ways which nobody would defend, but when criticised, it retreats to its much more agreeable position of ‘human rights protection’. Reading the charter, it’s hard to find anything to argue with. As it’s applied, it quickly becomes a problem.

”I don’t disagree with those laws. I agree with those rights. But they have been distorted and stretched; the ECHR is now a charter for illegal migrants, not a protection of human dignity, fairness or common sense.”

So, why is it so controversial?

”It’s the same arguments against Brexit. ‘It’d be bad for our reputation’, ‘We’d be in the same group as Russia.’ These are red herring arguments - all eminently rebuttable, but parroted by the “remainer wets” and “establishment liberals” who make up the bulk of the Conservative Party. Which is why I left.”

Suddenly, we find ourselves behind the scenes. Suella only formerly defected this year, but her conflicts with the Conservative Party can be traced by to 2023, when she publicly fell out with Rishi Sunak, then Britain’s Prime Minister. Konstantin had his own ding-dong with the former PM last week, in his case, on the subject of ‘Englishness’. Where does Suella stand on her former boss now?

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Tomorrow, she is returning to the show to discuss her political career, thoughts on British politics, Reform and the future of the country.

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In a time when “national treasure” is a title seemingly thrown upon anyone nice and British, Sir Robert Winston has done more than perhaps anyone else to earn his label.

As a scientist, he is considered a key figure in the popularisation of IVF treatment, and a pioneer in the technology that has allowed millions of couples to have children. For his work, he has earned honorary doctorates from a staggering twenty-three universities.

For decades, Robert has also been a familiar face to Britain’s television viewers, having presented dozens of hugely popular science programmes, as well as becoming a mainstay panellist on the likes of Have I Got News For You and Question Time.

In 1995, he was made a life peer, and to this day he sits on the Labour Party benches in the House of Lords, discussing the likes of education, medicine, and the arts.

Why did we invite him on?

Throughout his career, Robert has managed to do what so often seems impossible: remain beloved while also being unafraid to speak his mind. Whether it’s the commercialisation of IVF, gender-affirming surgery, or the nature of truth itself, Robert has expressed views counter to the orthodoxy without ever straying into quackery.

For that alone, he’s an ideal Triggernometry guest.

What did we learn?

We’re all used to it now, but one mustn’t forget what a divisive practice IVF was in its early days. Working in America at the time, Robert laments the difficulties he and his team had in their efforts to secure funding, with many institutions deeming it “disgraceful”, a barbaric act of playing God.

”We’re [allegedly] creating human life. We’re not; a sperm and an egg are already alive. Most embryos don’t even implant properly, and many of which do also miscarry, sometimes without the mother noticing. Nature itself does not respect the human embryo as sacrosanct. My view depends on ‘When can you see life really developing?’ To me, that’s consciousness, or the beginning of the nervous system - the 14-day limit. Thomas Aquinas had something similar in the 15th century, and many Christians didn’t like my pointing that out.”

To many, science and religion are natural adversaries. One disproves the other at every turn, and the two cannot coexist in the mind of any rational thinker. Robert dismisses this notion. In fact, the two are more alike than they are different.

”Science and religion are very similar. We do both because we’re uncertain, and uncertainty is part of a basic human need. We need to find certainty, but certainty is dangerous, and it’s just as dangerous in religion as it is science.”

This initial controversy could percolate because, at the time Robert was helping to advance the field of IVF, the practice still was a rare one - one only used in specific, unorthodox cases. Decades later, IVF has become an increasingly large part of the public conscience. As more and more couples delay childbirth into their 30s, more are also resorting to the procedure. As Francis points out, it’s become a “very mainstream industry”.

As a pioneer, he must be thrilled.

He isn’t.

”I’m very disappointed. I don’t want to sound like a saint, because I’m not… But in my group, we all agreed to take very modest incomes, and that we wouldn’t charge private fees. Any fees we received from, say, international patients, were pooled and added to the research pot - The Genesis Research Fund, which has raised over £100 million to date … Now, of course, it’s become very difficult to persuade young people to not take the private income. And now it’s a massive industry. A £23 billion industry. And the fees are huge in all countries, and there’s a lot of overcharging.”

What’s more, many couples are resorting to it when they don’t need it at all. Because it’s such a moneymaker for clinics, they don’t do their due diligence as medical professionals, instead guiding hopeful mothers down a costly and exhausting path they need not explore at all.

The women are victims here, and entrust professionals who should be more forthcoming with the information. How can they know whether they need it?

”If you’re a young woman, you’re not really infertile unless you’ve been trying for a year. For the average couple, it takes 4.5 months of trying to become pregnant. But some women, if they can afford it, end up going for 18 cycles of IVF, and they become professional patients. And they don’t know why it isn’t working, because nobody does. But if they go for an assessment, they might find the issue is very minor and very inexpensive to fix.”

This effect is hardly surprising. Countless industries are build on knowledge gaps. By making the problem seem worse than it is, worried customers will pay more to assuage their concerns.

This is true of pregnancy. There are few things a person values more in their life than their children, or their ability to one day have them. Cast doubt on that, and they’ll do anything to have it undone. The impression women get about their fertility is that it’s a black-and-white issue - you are either fertile, or you are not. If you’re struggling to conceive, it’s something that can’t be fixed simply.

”Infertility is misunderstood; they see it as a disease, not a symptom. Therefore, a great deal of IVF is unnecessary; the procedure fails, and a few months later they become pregnant spontaneously … The timing of it is not nearly as important as they would have you believe.”

And it’s not only a financial concern. The stress of IVF compounds the key issue. If couples are struggling to conceive anyway, the anxieties, arguments, and distance created by an expensive and risky procedure are only going to make things worse.
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Tomorrow, he is returning to the show to discuss hot topics within Ireland: Donald Trump’s recent comments about unification, the frequent Gaza marches, illegal immigration, and music artists like Kneecap and Macklemore, plus the drama surrounding Ed Sheeran’s US tour, among other things.

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Tomorrow, he is returning to the show to break down the life, times and history of Napoleon Bonaparte; who he was, what he achieved, and his legacy.

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Robert Tombs is professor emeritus of French history at the University of Cambridge, and a fellow of St John’s College; for his work, the French government awarded him the Ordres des Palmes academiques in 2007.

Together, in 2021, Nigel and Robert created History Reclaimed - a website and online resource dedicated to countering censorship of historical texts in modern universities. Combining their talents, the two are due to release their first collaborative book - Our Island’s Story: A Better Story About Britain - this October.

Why did we invite him on?

Robert joined us recently, alongside fellow historian and recurring guest Nigel Biggar, to discuss the harm done by ‘woke’ historic education at all levels of Western schooling. It was a hugely popular conversation, and one of our favourites of the year.

Unfortunately, the subject did not give us the opportunity to appropriately explore his area of expertise - France.

It’s a subject we’ve explored on the show before, but only in passing. We’ve long wanted to host a more general discussion about Britain’s complex relationship/rivalry with the European power, and Robert seemed the ideal candidate to join us.

In just 80 minutes, we chart a thousand years of European history. From Napoleon to Brexit, Robert weaves an incredible narrative that connects seemingly disparate moments, answering long-held questions of identity, nation, and alliance.

What did we learn?

”Both England and France, and to some extent Ireland, Scotland and Wales, forged their identities through conflict. As a great 19th-century French historian once said: ‘The French came to understand they were French through fighting the English.’”

On some level, the inverse is also true. A key part of how the British see themselves is woven with a mostly friendly rivalry with the French. But why is that? Is it purely a result of geography, or is there something more at play?

”England and France have been major players on the world stage for a thousand years. Often as rivals, often as enemies. They became obsessed with each other, despite being rather similar. They consider themselves nations in decline, or even in crisis, and each is rather keen that the other should be doing worse. You look at the British press, and it talks about fires in France, riots in France, etc. Meanwhile, the French press is always reporting on British unemployment and our inability to maintain a PM. The implication is always: ‘Aren’t we better off here?’”

One of the best case studies of the differences between England and France can be seen in the French Revolution at the end of the 18th century, and how it contrasts with Britain’s establishment of the Commonwealth in the century prior.

In Britain, Charles I is executed and Oliver Cromwell (something of an English equivalent to Napoleon) is installed as de facto leader in 1649 . Quickly, things are reversed, and the nation returns to having a royal family. Meanwhile, France radically reinvented everything, from the election process to the measurement system, and stick with it.

This, Robert proves, is something of a myth.

”The French revolution was not the end of the French monarchy; they had two more goes at restoring it, and these efforts went on until 1870. And there’s no reason to think it wouldn’t have carried on if they hadn’t been invaded by Germany. War is often what makes revolutions possible - the state proves it is defeated and no longer capable of defeated the country. Sometimes it just goes, other times it’s overthrown, and that’s the revolution.”

That’s not to say the Revolution wasn’t influential on Britain. Without it, you don’t get Napoleon, and without Napoleon, Britain is a very different nation indeed.

“Napoleon was the last Frenchman to transform Britain. The last to have a truly major effect. He forced Britain to mobilise itself in ways it never had before, to quite an extraordinary extent … Something like 40% of all British men were doing some sort of British service - that’s World War-levels of mobilisation. You could never put that cork back in the bottle. People see themselves as citiziens, and therefore they should have some sort of say in politics.”

Another milestone in European history to have a similar effect on the national psyche came in the 20th century. Twice, in the form of two World Wars. Regarding the latter, France’s participation (or perceived lack thereof) is a seismic sticking point in its relationship to Britain, which prides itself on being the bulwark against a fascist takeover of the developed world. Or so the story goes. Is that fair?

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”On the surface, I’ve had a regular life. I go to school in North London, I play football, and I go out with my friends on the weekend. But there’s always been something hovering over my life that makes me different.”

Financial prodigies come along once in a generation. Alexander Browder might just be his.

At just 17, he founded the Global Cryptocurrency Laundering Database; a project tracking the movement of illicit funds through digital-asset markets - the first and largest of its kind.

Earlier this year, he authored a report published by the Henry Jackson Society, which alleged the use of cryptonetworks by Western-sanctioned states to circumnavigate the imposed blocks. Including Russia.

In June, he was placed on an entry-ban list by the Russian Foreign Ministry. By that measure, he is allegedly the youngest person to ever be sanctioned by the state.

Why did we invite him on?

Earlier this year, we had Alexander’s father, Sir Bill Browder, on to tell his incredible story of persecution by the Russians. Through that, we heard about Alex, and instantly knew the story wouldn’t be complete unless we spoke to him too.

The similarities are striking - two financial minds, separated by time yet joined by relation - who have made themselves enemies of the Russian state for discrete events. What’s that like? What does that do to someone, particularly of Alex’s modest age?

What did we learn?

Having seen what happened to his father and those in his orbit, nobody has had more of a front-row view of the stresses and anxieties of Russian persecution than Alex. Perhaps he might have had to face it whatever he dedicated his life to. Spending it exposing Kremlin corruption made it an absolute certainty. Why did he do it?

”My father made a career out of exposing corruption in the Kremlin, which made him some enemies there. In 2009, his lawyer - a brave man called Sergei Magnitsky, who was helping him expose the corruption - was tortured for 350 days in a Russian prison and ultimately killed there. That murder has cast a shadow over my life. So I’ve always been inspired to help stop Russian aggression.”

There are few people who have ever lived who can boast an experience like Alex’s. What is it like? How does one navigate international scrutiny at such a young age?

”There’s no guide for it. It means I can’t go there, but I never planned tdo that anyway. Really, it’s used to intimidate me. It’s a tool used by the Russians to make MPs, critics, investigators, journalists become fearful for their lives … It’s not had the intended effect. [What it says is] My work has had an effect, and they don’t want it to.”

But without the right infrastructure and motivation, Alex’s work can only go so far. With all the data ready and waiting for action, the British government still seems slow to act. Why?

”It’s a case of asymmetric information. Even the senior politicians I talk to about this have no idea what’s going on. Meanwhile, the North Koreans have whole departments dedicated to [crypto].”

Unlike a great deal of North Korea’s government, those departments are not just for show. They’re being put to use, and their efficacy is alarming. Last year, a story broke that exposed the full extent of the dictatorship’s new capabilities, and in turn inspired Alex to pull back the curtain.

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Dan is unafraid to speak out against his ‘tribe.’ As a pundit, he has published work in the New Statesmen, the Daily Telegraph, and for the last ten years, has written a weekly coumn for The Mail on Sunday.

In 2012, while a long-standing member of the Labour Party (whom he has joined and left twice), he voted for Boris Johnson (a Conservative) in the London Mayoral elections, decrying Labour candidate Ken Livingstone as “a disgrace.” The next year, he published a piece in the Daily Telegraph arguing in favour of the censorship of government whistleblowers. Last year, he welcomed immense scrutiny from his peers on the left when he asserted British taxes should not be used for reconstructing Gaza “until every Hamas terrorist is either dead or in jail.”

Say what you will about his positions, we welcome anyone with the temerity to speak out, and have thus been hoping to host Dan for some time.

Now seems like the opportune moment. His former party are enjoying a swell in popularity, its closest rivals are suffering a string of scandals, and British politics looks set to only become more snipey and surprising. Where does he stand on it all?

What did we talk about?

Dan, as we’ve mentioned, has a somewhat tested relationship with Labour. Joining in 1987 at just 18, he left in 2013, only to rejoin (and leave again) two years later. It’s clear he’s no unthinking loyalist. Given that, what does he make of the party in 2026? After Keir Starmer resigned in a sorry state, the least popular PM in living memory, Andy Burnham’s assumption of the role has buoyed support for the once-lambasted party. How does Dan assess the new leader?

”He’s broadly what you see; there’s no hidden side to Andy. People talk about the ‘Northern shtick’, but it’s not a shtick - that’s just who he is. He’s from the North, and it definitely shapes his political outlook … One of the great misconceptions about him is that he wouldn’t be able to control Westminster, and he’d realise it was very different from being Mayor of Greater Manchester. But he’s been in politics all his life; he’s a political creature.”

Some on the left have accused Andy of being a ‘people pleaser’ - trying to curry favour with the left, right, and centre without regard for whether his world view is a coherent one. In the wake of Keir Starmer’s notorious flip-flopping, that’s not what the nation has an appetite for. Is there any truth to the accusation?

”I think he’s preparing for a snap General Election, probably due for some time next year. He’s maximising his appeal between now and then … His job now is to shore up his popularity among the left, see off the Greens, and endure the in-fighting on the right. The real problem is that the fundamentals of the job are no different to what they were under Keir Starmer.”

For as much as we’ve criticised Starmer, anyone can concede he was dealt a rough hand. His technocratic approach, in the new age of populism, was never going to fly. It’s a shift we’re seeing on both sides of the political spectrum, and neither Labour nor Conservative seem to be adjusting appropriately.

This is not a criticism Dan has - evident in his answers is a dislike for the ideology. To him, it’s what makes it so difficult for anyone - not just Andy Burnham - to make the changes that really matter.

”The growth of populism has made it impossible for a politician to make a hard choice without the support of the population. You talk to any MP and they’ll tell you that triple-lock pensions are unsustainable; they’re a hangover from the past. Those MPs know they’re not sound, but if they stand up and say that, they won’t be elected. So, what are they supposed to do? It’s not a question of identifying the problem, or knowing what to do, it’s whether they have a political mandate.”

It puts politicians in a tricky situation. Quite often, the necessary thing is unpopular. For example, Konstantin asserts, cuts in public spending.

Ours is a national in denial. Despite our shrinking piggy bank, we ask more and more of the state, throwing good money after bad in a vain attempt to stimulate - or simulate - real growth. Burnham, so far, promises to be no break in this sad norm.

Dan recognises the problem, but disagrees that tax cuts and spending cuts are the solution. Even if they were, they won’t happen in this political climate.

”You’re never going to win popular support by cutting public spending. We hear it all the time: ‘Things don’t work’. You call an ambulance, and it doesn’t come. You go to a hospital, and you don’t get seen. You get on a train, and it breaks down. I keep hearing from people on the right that the state’s too big. But the people don’t want it shrunk! They don’t want fewer teachers, or nurses, or doctors. ‘We need to stimulate the market’… ask the public if they want the war companies in public or private ownership, and see what they say.”

What people say they want and what they actually want, as we all know, are often two different things. Billionaires may disgust a certain swathe of the votership, but do they really want to live in a country without them? Is it wise for a country in debt to scare off its benefactors?

”I think it’s absolutely imperative that wealthy people are asked to pay a little bit more, in the same way that, in the period of austerity, the working people were asked to pay a little bit more. Wealthy people were broadly insulated from that, and working people were not. I see a lot of right-wingers say ‘but the wealthy pay more’, and I get the point. But the reality is you have to look at what people are paying in proportionate terms. Not just to their income, but the actual experience of their lives. Imagine someone in a working-class community who, for various reasons, can’t afford a house of their own. So they move in with their parents, and their parents have to support them. That has a negative impact on all their lives. If a wealthy person has to sell one of their private jets… It’s just not the same.”

It’s a compelling argument, but in a globalist world where the wealthy can move and work from anywhere in the world, what are we offering them? If we chase them out with high taxes and needless regulation, don’t we ask an absence of growth all together? Perhaps being a billionaire is unfair, but how fair is total financial decline.

It’s a line of thinking that Dan has little time for. In his words, “we tried that, and it didn’t work.”

”If you turn around to the electorate and say: ‘We’re gonna make some hard choices.”We’re gonna cut back on public spending, and you’re going to have to tighten your belts. But we can’t tell the billionaire to do that because, if we do, he’s going to live in Montenegro,’ the British people won’t accept that.”

So what will the British people accept? What do they actually want?
If polls are anything to go by, it might not be Labour - it might be Reform.

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For over 30 years, Richard Miniter has been one of the most respected names in investigative journalism.

His career spans several prestigious publications, having contributed to the likes of The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal, The Atlantic Monthly, Newsweek, The New Republic, National Review, and Reader’s Digest, his investigative work earning him accolades from the likes of the National Press Club and the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists.

Today, Richard continues to provide insights on global security issues and write best-selling books on geopolitics from a conservative perspective.

Why did we invite him on?

Richard may have only joined us as a guest for the first time last year, but even in just that short window, he has become one of our favourite regulars. His first appearance gifted us the most incredible explanation of America we’ve ever had, while his second explored the rich tapestry of journalism’s history, and was arguably even more fascinating.

This time, we’re having him on for a very specific reason: tomorrow marks the 25th anniversary of 9/11. It’s one of the most dissected and debated events in world history, yet even a quarter-century on, new developments in the story continue to come to light, and the stranger-than-fiction reality only becomes more difficult to believe.

As time goes by, an increasing percentage of our audience - and indeed the world - will only know about the worst terror attack in global history through anecdotes, data, and legend. Given that, it’s easy to go numb to the enormity and horror of the occasion. For this anniversary, we wanted to rectify that.

Richard’s unorthodox knack for explanation makes him an ideal guest to tackle this most complex of subjects. The pressure was on, our expectations were high. Even we were blown away by the conversation that unfurled.

What did we talk about?

When one takes more than a second to consider what actually happened on that day, it’s difficult to wrap the mind around it. Commercial airliners, hijacked by weaponed insurgents, commandeered and turned into missiles, ploughed into the two tallest buildings in the Western world, killing thousands. Another crashed into the Pentagon. A fourth, until it is intercepted from within, is headed for Washington D.C.

The level of horror, destruction, and mayhem this crack team of fanatics brought upon America that day, and for years to come, is, frankly, astonishing. What brings a person to do it?

”People become terrorists because it solves an important problem in their life. Either a lack of meaning, or isolation. They need people, or they need purpose - terrorism gives you a purpose.”

Meaning and companionship are innate human needs. Countless people go without them, but very few resort to violence of any kind, let alone something of this scale. As Richard explains, the hijackers were not typical by any stretch of the imagination. They were in a shared revery; wholly dedicated to brutality. In fact, they often used one another to rehearse.

”The FBI put together a complete timeline for all of the hijackers. From the moment they landed in the United States to the moment they died. To do that, they put together a wealth of data: ATM receipts, restaurant bills, witness accounts, security cameras - it’s an incredible document. And in that, it reveals they did scenario role-playing. They practised the attack on each other.”

It took months to piece together the months leading up to September 11th. Hundreds of federal employees working on nothing else, tracing the movements of every relevant character, until eventually a picture started to emerge. Once it did, they realised something horrifying: these ‘martyrs’ were barely hiding their intent.

”At flight school, quite chillingly, they said they didn’t need to take off or land; they just needed to be able to control the plane in the air.”

So, how did they manage to go undetected? Why weren’t they stopped long before?

”They took advantage of existing American weaknesses. The woman who gave [one of the hijackers] his ticket later testified that she thought he was a terrorist, but didn’t want to discriminate or be unwelcoming. The hijackers knew this, and they exploited it.”

There are still elements of the story we don’t know, and likely never will. In those gaps, myths proliferate. The average person probably thinks they know the whole narrative of 9/11, from those responsible, to how they got there, to the very weapons they used to assume control of the jet.

This, Richard warns us, is tricky. A frantic call for answers in the days following the day induced a desperate attempt to respond to all questions, even if the story wasn’t entirely true. Just to use one example - we still don’t quite know how the hijackers were able to hijack the flight.

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