Underlying psychology? Not what [we] think they are? What do you think we think? We used to say: "Poor guy couldn't get laid with a fistful of pardons in a women's prison" What has changed other than the word label the guy now gets? The reasons why he can't get laid? Do tell !
Who are some emerging positive role models for young men? My generation has Peterson, Rogan, Bret and Eric Weinstein, Sowell etc, who is available to influence positive masculinity that isn't from gen x and above?
I am actually an incel, and I was diagnosed with Autism in the early 2000s. I grew up with chronic fear of people. I have problems telling for when someone was being honest or I was getting gas lit. Also I couldn't tell the difference between banter and actual bullying. I also have dyspraxia which meant I was awful at physical activities such as PE and doing metal & wood work.
My anger is not against the bullies, psychopaths and sociopaths, they exist.
It is against what I would call the utopians, people who say it is better to walk away rather than stand up for yourself, or if you hit back, you are just as bad as them, as in self defence.
Also don't be afraid to share your vulnerability and be honest with your emotions, that can be mocked and weaponised against you.
Why do we not teach kids to deal with the challenges, the evils, exploitations and the brutalities of the real world?
By the way as an incel, I get on well with women, they are great, they have helped me through tough times as well as men and to be honest I am better designed to stay single.
Bullies and idiots have always existed but I look at the people around me and I just see a lack of empathy where it is all about what that specific person wants.
How much is a lack of empathy fueling the violence in society?
Im 51 and consider myself relatively "normal" but i do feel sorry for these young people being demonised by the media - "involuntarily celibate" ie you would like a relationship or sex but cant get one/it , and the media is like "ohh youre an awful person etc" i mean being born ugly/introverted/shy or growing up in circumstances that lead to that all beyond your direct control as a young boy . My question is what do the people plugging this expect to achieve? its just poking the bear or belittling others to make themselves feel better?
Outside the pressures of the 21st century world and all the progressive influences and setbacks that INCELs say they endure, is there an old fashioned cure? That is to say, "what they need is a damned good shag!"...or is my granddad wrong?
I have no hard numbers to back this up, but my impression is that 'back in the day' most people didn't meet their mates in the workplace. It was usually at school (think 'high school sweethearts' / women going to college for a 'Mrs Degree') or it was at church. That brings me to two questions:
* has the radical change in the male/female ratio in education (especially at the post-secondary level) affected the dating/marriage market?
* has the general reduction in religiousness in the Western World affected reduced the opportunities for individuals to meet culturally-compatible potential mates and to create official/formal bonds (i.e. marriage) with them?
An oldie, but still relevant today.
Underlying psychology? Not what [we] think they are? What do you think we think? We used to say: "Poor guy couldn't get laid with a fistful of pardons in a women's prison" What has changed other than the word label the guy now gets? The reasons why he can't get laid? Do tell !
Who are some emerging positive role models for young men? My generation has Peterson, Rogan, Bret and Eric Weinstein, Sowell etc, who is available to influence positive masculinity that isn't from gen x and above?
I am actually an incel, and I was diagnosed with Autism in the early 2000s. I grew up with chronic fear of people. I have problems telling for when someone was being honest or I was getting gas lit. Also I couldn't tell the difference between banter and actual bullying. I also have dyspraxia which meant I was awful at physical activities such as PE and doing metal & wood work.
My anger is not against the bullies, psychopaths and sociopaths, they exist.
It is against what I would call the utopians, people who say it is better to walk away rather than stand up for yourself, or if you hit back, you are just as bad as them, as in self defence.
Also don't be afraid to share your vulnerability and be honest with your emotions, that can be mocked and weaponised against you.
Why do we not teach kids to deal with the challenges, the evils, exploitations and the brutalities of the real world?
By the way as an incel, I get on well with women, they are great, they have helped me through tough times as well as men and to be honest I am better designed to stay single.
Bullies and idiots have always existed but I look at the people around me and I just see a lack of empathy where it is all about what that specific person wants.
How much is a lack of empathy fueling the violence in society?
Im 51 and consider myself relatively "normal" but i do feel sorry for these young people being demonised by the media - "involuntarily celibate" ie you would like a relationship or sex but cant get one/it , and the media is like "ohh youre an awful person etc" i mean being born ugly/introverted/shy or growing up in circumstances that lead to that all beyond your direct control as a young boy . My question is what do the people plugging this expect to achieve? its just poking the bear or belittling others to make themselves feel better?
I think incels are wrongly demonised and are deserving of compassion.
Outside the pressures of the 21st century world and all the progressive influences and setbacks that INCELs say they endure, is there an old fashioned cure? That is to say, "what they need is a damned good shag!"...or is my granddad wrong?
Have you studied the views of women - young and old - about young male incels? How sympathetic would they be to an incel?
I have no hard numbers to back this up, but my impression is that 'back in the day' most people didn't meet their mates in the workplace. It was usually at school (think 'high school sweethearts' / women going to college for a 'Mrs Degree') or it was at church. That brings me to two questions:
* has the radical change in the male/female ratio in education (especially at the post-secondary level) affected the dating/marriage market?
* has the general reduction in religiousness in the Western World affected reduced the opportunities for individuals to meet culturally-compatible potential mates and to create official/formal bonds (i.e. marriage) with them?